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Greenlane’s Admin: Shaikh Uthaymeen and six other scholars unveil the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor; why do you hide truth & aggrandize status of those who defend him?!

Written by Abdullah Jallow on . Posted in Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Innovations In Islam (Bidah), Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Scholars of Islam, Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

Shaikh Uthaymeen refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 http://ia600507.us.archive.org/12/items/qawidadnanaroor/01-Uthaymeen.mp3

 

 

 

Shaikh Ahmad An-Najmi refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) unveils the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Gudiyaan (rahimahullaah) refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Zayd Bin Haadi (rahimahullaah) refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Ubayd Al-Jaabiri (may Allaah preserve him)

Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadi (may Allaah preserve him)

Greenlane’s Admin –This affair is a differing in Manhaj and not Fiqh; Unity can only be based on sound creed and the one who knows is a proof against the one who does not know!

Written by abuaisha on . Posted in Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

Al-Allaamah Muqbil Bin Haadee (rahimahullaah) said:

Al-Khilaaf Fiqhiy: It is when the evidence can carry this (meaning) or that (meaning), such as the Hadeeth:”When one of you wakes up from his sleep, he must not put his hand in a utensil till he has washed it three times, for he does not know where his hand was.” The scholars have differed in this (affair); amongst them are those who say that the water becomes impure and amongst them are those who say that it is forbidden (to put one’s hand in the water) but (the water) does not become impure and this affair is a legislated act of worship; and amongst them are those who say that it is Makrooh (disliked to put the one’s hand in the water  but not forbidden), because he (i.e. the person) is upon certainty that his hand is in a state of purity.  So the likes of this (affair) is Ikhtilaaf fiqhiy and similar to it (also is whether) the Basmallaah is to be uttered loudly (during the prayer).

Al-Khilaaf Manhajiy:  As for Al-khilaaf Manhajiy, it is a problematic disease such as the methodology of Ikhwaan Al-Mufliseen; for their Manhaj is entry into elections, houses of parliaments and party Multiplicity.  This is considered to be Ikhtilaaf Manhajiy because it is in opposition to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wa-alaa-aalihi-wasallam)…… [End of quote…See: Ghaaratul Ash-ritah: page: 40-41: Vol 1]

Pay close attention to this affair so that you are not deceived- in your religious affairs- by the deceitful false claimants to Salafiyyah. The Maraakiz of Salafiyyah do not have a working relationship with any organization or group that mixes Sunnah and bidah. However, Greenlane’s Admin co-operates with organizations and groups that mix Sunnah and Bidah, such as Ihyaa Turaath, Al-Maghrib Institute. Greenlane’s Admin seeks to hide its reality from some of those unsuspecting Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah-and only Allaah knows our real state of affairs- whilst maintaining their ties with some of the obstinate people of bidah. This is a Manhaj shared between Ihyaa Turaath and Greenlane’s Admin.

Shaikh Ubaid (may Allaah preserve him) said: Ihyaa Turaath mixes the religion with politics or bidah with Sunnah. The Shaikh also says: Their call is a mixture. They call to those who are considered to be from ahlul bidah. http://www.sahab.net/forums/?showtopic=117024

 

Ihyaa Turaath

See here: http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=5220 – all about the Aqeedah and Manhaj of Ihyaa Turaath-The associates of Greenlane’s Admin.

After acquainting yourself with Ihyaa Turaath’s deviations in Aqeedah and Manhaj (in the above link) then ask yourself the following questions:

[1] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to co-operate with Ihyaa Turaath after being well aware of their clear affairs of bidah and misguidance in Aqeedah and Manhaj?!

[2] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to keep quiet about the clear and grave deviations of Ihyaa Turaath [in Aqeedah and Manhaj] after being well aware of them?!

[3] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafi to show enmity towards those who unveil the calamities of Ihyaa Turaath?!

[4] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to deliberately ignore the deviations of Ihyaa Turaath [in Aqeedah and Manhaj] and openly declares it working relationship with them?!

[5] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to unite with Ihyaa Turaath after being well aware of their clear deviations in Aqeedah and Manhaj?!

 

Al-Allaamah Saaleh al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) stated:

As long as the Aqeedah (creed) is shaky and blemished, the Muslims cannot be united. It is not possible to unite the one upon Bidah with the one upon the Sunnah, ABADAN.  It is not possible to unite the person of corrupt Aqeedah (creed) with a person of sound aqeedah even though they share the same name (i.e. they are both called Muslims). The Muslims have to be united upon Tawheed, upon the correct Aqeedah, upon the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad-sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam). The Muslims have to come together; they have to unite and follow that which emanates from that bond and unity, as long as this does not depart from obedience to Allaah and His Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).  And due to that, the Messenger (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) said:  ”Allaah is pleased for you with three things: ”that you worship Him (alone) and not to associate anything with Him; and that you (all) hold unto the Rope of Allaah and not to be divided; and that you give sincere advise to the one placed in charge over your affairs (i.e. the Muslim Ruler).”

As for the one who calls to the unity of the Muslims even though they differ in their Aqeedah, indeed, this is impossible. The one who wants to unite the Muslims even though they are upon divergent beliefs, even though they are upon shaky beliefs, this is inconceivable. (It is) like the one who attempts to bring together water and fire or a beast and a fish. This can never be possible because a beast lives on land and a fish lives in the sea…

[End of quote: Source: Excerpt from a lecture delivered by Sheikh Saaleh al Fawzaan at Masjid At-Tawheed in Taa-if. Title of lecture: At Tahdeer Minal Furqati Wal Ikhtilaaf]

Therefore, do not be deceived by Greenlane’s Declaration of a conference in which there some of those Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah-and only Allaah knows our real state of affairs-; rather a sensible person should look to the reality and not merely what is apparent. Clinging to the Sunnah does not allow the Sunni to form alliances with some of those considered to be from Ahlus Sunnah-and only Allaah knows our real state of affairs- whilst maintaining ties with the obstinate deviants of Ihyaa Turaath, al-Maghrib Institute and others. This is why when Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadi (may Allaah preserve him) was asked about attendance at Islamic conferences (or gatherings) of knowledge that are under the supervision of the Jam-iyyaat (i.e. Islamic organizations of illegal partisanship) but also attended by Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah….So the Shaikh said that the brothers are aware of his speech concerning all these Jam-iyyaat. These Jam-iyyaat seek to promote and establish their goals through some of the Mashaa-yikh, so Shaikh said that he does not see that one should go to them.  Some of the Mashaayikh are unaware of the pursuit of these Jam-iyyaat through them; so one should not go to them. http://www.sahab.net/forums/?showtopic=130647

Shaikh Ubaid Al-Jaabiri (may Allaah preserve him said:”The one who knows of a mistake and it is clear to him, then it is not permissible for him to blindly follow a scholar to whom an affair is hidden. And indeed you already heard yesterday that the scholars are not infallible in their Ijtihaadaat. Therefore, it is not permissible to adopt them (i.e. the mistakes of the scholars) as a methodology (to follow).”  http://salaficentre.com/2013/08/2-an-eye-opener-for-the-seeker-of-truth-alallaamah-ubaid-bin-abdillaah-al-jaabiri-answers/

To be continued…In-Shaa-Allaah

 

 

Question to Greenlane’s Admin-Did your associate [Abdur-Raheem McCarthy!] inform you of the so-called imprisoned scholars?!

Written by Abdullah Jallow on . Posted in Brotherhood, Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

Abdur-Raheem McCarthy is an associate of Greenalan’s Admin.  He participated in their conference ‘The Journey of Love – Summer Conference 2014’

Abdur-Raheem claims that the Salafis hide the commendation (Tadeel) given to certain scholars who were imprisoned and promote the Jarh against them.  He uttered this slanderous, deceitful, false and sinful statement in the presence of Saeed Rageah, who sat like a silent devil whilst listening attentively.

However, Abdur-Raheem–the deceitful ally of Greenlane’s Admin– neither mentioned the names of those so called scholars nor did he give details of the Tadeel for them or the Jarh against them.  Indeed, it is very unlikely that a close hizbi associate of Greenlane’s Admin will ever be honest and brave enough to mention the names of such so-called scholars who were imprisoned! That is because the only so called imprisoned scholars known to Ahlus Sunnah- who were imprisoned in Saudi and else where- were the Ikhwaani political activists, the callers to Khurooj, demonstrations, the Qutubiyyah etc. Therefore, who are the so called scholars intended by Abdur-Raheem?! This question has still not being answered because there are great affairs of manhaj attached to it. The Salafiyyoon are foremost in spreading the virtues of the people of Sunnah and Salafiyyah and the foremost in transmitting the refutations of the scholars against the people of bidah and hizbiyyah. So as usual-like any other hizbi-Abdur-Raheem deliberately failed to speak the truth, rather he deliberately utilized the pillars of hizbiyyah stated by Al-Allaamah Muqbil Bin Haadi (rahimahullaah), and they are: Lies, Deception and Concealment.

Abdur-Raheem lied because he falsely accused the Salafiyyoon. He sought to deceive his audience by claiming that those imprisoned were scholars and he deliberately concealed the reasons that led to the imprisonment of such deviants; rather he even accused the Salafiyyoon of hiding their so-called virtues. Indeed, it is not surprising that Greenlane’s Admin is associated with Abdur-Raheeem because what else is to be expected of a people who deliberately shelter [Abu Usaamah-the obstinate khadh-dhaab, man of bidah and defender of the Mubtadia Maribi, Halabi etc]- and co-operate with singers, Ikhwaanis, and the deviants of Ihyaa Turaath, Al-Maghrib Institute etc.

 

Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadi (may Allaah preserve him)

I [Abu Mu-aawiyyah (Abdullaah al-Gambi) asked Ustaadh Abdul Waahid Abu Khadeejah (may Allaah preserve him) about the state of affairs of Abdur-Raheem McCarthy Al-Amreekee after I came across his mixing haqq with Baatil, his exaggerations and defence of the people of hizbiyyah such as the likes of Abu Muslimah, Abu Usaamah etc; so he (Ustaadh Abu Khadeejah) said to me: ‘’Narrate from me that I heard Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadee (may Allaah preserve him) saying: ‘’I warn against Abdur-Raheem. [end of quote]’’

We ask Allaah for truthfulness.  Aameen

Greenlane’s Masjid Admin Co-operates with an organization that is from the deviated sect of Ikhwaan Al-Muslimeen!

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Brotherhood, Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Groups, Sects and Parties, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Scholars of Islam, Tamyee'.

Shaikh Ubaid (may Allaah preserve him) responded to the one who considers some of those affiliated to ihyaa turaath as people of virtue, knowledge and sound religion….Listen to audio here:

 

 

Points from Shaikh Ubiad’s Response:

*The utterer of this statement is overwhelmed by the proofs…..

*This statement is one of his falsehoods…

*The principle with Ahlul Ilm (i.e. the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah) is that the one who allies with ahlul bidah- neither bringing them to account nor aiding those who confront them, then he is from them even if he-in the apparent-is one who shows righteousness and acts upon some of the sunnah. This does not free him from falling into bidah….

*We have spoken against Ihyaa Turaath in many places…..

*Ihyaa Turaath is among (or within) the Ikhwaan Al-Muslimeen sect…..

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Therefore, the Salafi is not diverted from the fact that Grenlane seeks to mix haqq with baatil by inviting those considered to be upon the Sunnah, whilst maintaining its ties with ahlul bidah. This is the manhaj of Greenlane’s Admin, whereas salafiyyah does not accommodate ahlul bidah. See articles…

The Basis of the Differing Between Greenlane’s admin and SP

http://salaficentre.com/2014/12/part-1-2-reminder-salafi-publications-and-greenlane-masjid-admin-what-is-the-basis-of-the-differing/

Conferences organized by hizbiyyoon and attended by Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah

http://salaficentre.com/2014/12/shaikh-muhammad-bin-haadi-conferences-organized-by-hizbiyyoon-and-attended-by-those-mashaayikh-considered-to-be-upon-the-sunnah/

 

A brief clarification from Ustaadh Abu Khadeejah about Saalim At-Taweel’s lie against Shaikh Ubaid

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Ali Hassan Al Halabi, Brotherhood, Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Morals and Manners - 'Akhlaaq', Tamyee'.

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

وصلني كلام لسالم الطويل نشر في موقع كل السلفيين خلاصته ان الشيخ العلامة عبيد حفظه الله فوضني بمسائل الطلاق والخلع وما اشبه ذلك وهذا والله كذب وافتراء على الشيخ حفظه الله ونقول: سبحانك هذا بهتان عظيم وانما نصحنا وحثنا على الرجوع في هذه المسائل وغيرها الى اهل العلم وهذا ما حصل منا وفعلناه والحمد لله اولا واخرا والعاقبة للمتقين ولا عدوان الا على الظالمين
كتبه أبو خديجة
المكتبة السلفية ببرمنغهام بريطانيا

 

A statement of Saalim At-Taweel’s- disseminated in the (website) Kullu Salafiyyeen- (1) has reached me that the Shaikh Al-Allaamah Ubaid (may Allaah preserve him) delegated me (i.e. put me in charge) in the affairs of divorce and khula and what is similar to that. This-by Allaah-is a lie and fabrication against the Shaikh (may Allaah preserve him) and we say: ‘’Glory be to You (O Allah) this is a great lie.’’ Rather we were advised and encouraged to refer back to the people of knowledge in these affairs (of divorce and khula) and other than them. This is what has occurred from us and it is what we have done (i.e. we refer these affairs and other than them to the scholars) and all praise is due to Allaah in the beginning to the end of (all affairs) and the (blessed) end is for the Muttaqoon, and there is no enmity except against the oppressors.

Written by: Abu Khadeejah

Al-Maktabah As-Salafiyyah Birmingham (Britain)

End of Ustaadh Abu Khadeejah’s (may Allaah preserve him) clarification.

The above Arabic clarification was forwarded to us via WhatsApp by Ustaadh Abu Tasneem -Mus’haf Al-Banghaali (May Allaah preserve him)

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Reminder from Al-Markazus Salafi

[1] The website Kullu Salafiyyeen is under the supervision of the Murji Mubtadi Ali Al-Halabi. In-Shaa-Allaah we will make known some of the calamities in this website as pointed out by Shaikh Raslaan (may Allaah preserve him). We seek Allaah’s protection from all evil and from the plots of the people of deviation. Aameen

[B] Some Destructive False Principles and Calamities of Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani-An ally of Brixton and Luton, and Al-Halabi (Al-Murji Al-Mubtadi)

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Ali Hassan Al Halabi, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Scholars of Islam, Seeking Knowledge, Tamyee'.

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

[Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani says that the affairs of Jarh Wat-Tadeel are based on Ijtihaad] [1]

 

Question to Al-Allaamah Rabee Bin Haadi Al-Madkhali (may Allaah preserve him)

Are the affairs of Jarh Wat-Tadeel based on Ijtihaad? And how do we refute the one who says, ‘’I am not obliged to (take/accept) the speech of such and such a Shaikh?!

 

Answer:

A group amongst the schemers against the Salafi Methodology and those who wear a false garment of Salafiyyah seek to place in the affair of Jarh Wat-Tadeel (the false principle): ”We rectify but we do not disparage;” (and the false principle): ”We want a broad and extensive methodology that will accommodate all the Ummah”; (and the false principle): ‘’We rectify but we do not destroy;” Meaning: Neither evil nor bidah is repelled; rather all the Ummah are accommodated in a board and extensive methodology to the extent that even the Raafidah (shia) are accommodated.  So these people begin to make false accusations against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel and against those (i.e. the scholars) who establish it.  Some of these false accusers have gone as far as saying that there is no proof in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah to establish the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel!

Indeed, the Qur’aan is filled with the proofs of Jarh Wat-Tadeel—the people of pharaoh have been refuted and disparaged; the people of Prophet Nooh have been refuted and disparaged; the people of Prophet Hud have been refuted and disparaged; the people of Prophet Saaleh have been refuted and disparaged; the Quraish have been refuted and disparaged and Abu Lahab has been refuted and disparaged.  The Sunnah and the methodology of the Salaf are filled with Jarh Wat-Tadeel and it is a weapon against the people of innovation.  These people promoting such false principles want to break this ‘Jarh Wat-Tadeel Weapon’ into pieces, and they want to deprive the Salafis of this ‘Jarh Wat-Tadeel Weapon’ which is traced back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).

So a person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel; then a second person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel; then a third person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel; then a fourth one comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel……..then a tenth person comes along and wages war against the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel and they are all followed by crowds!! Therefore be warned against these people, for they wear a false gown of Salafiyyah in order to split the Salafis through these false principles and precepts.

A person commits murder and was seen by two trustworthy witnesses; then these two witnesses are summoned in the presence of the ruler who applies the Islamic rulings; so what will he judge with?  He should judge by the law of Islam and if not then he has opposed the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah Allaah’s Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).    Allaah (The Most High) said:

وَأَشۡہِدُواْ ذَوَىۡ عَدۡلٍ۬ مِّنكُمۡ

”And take for witness two just persons from among you (Muslims).” [65:2]

The evidence for giving witnesses and the evidences for Jarh Wat-Tadeel are one and the same thing.  As for the untrustworthy person, then his narration is not accepted. Likewise, the liar- the deceiver- whose speech cannot be determined for its correctness, then his testimony is not accepted. Neither his criticism nor commendation of a person is accepted.  However, if he is a scholar who is precise and skilful, and he says about a person: ”Such and such a person is a liar”; then it is obligatory upon the people to accept his speech.  The Salaf followed this methodology, (such as their saying): ”such and such is a liar”; ”such and such has a bad memory”; ”such and such is an innovator”; ”such and such is a murji”; ”such and such is a khaariji”; ”such and such is a mutazili” etc   These statements have been made by Imaam Ahmad, Imaam Ibn Ma’een, Imaam Ibn Al-Madeenee, Imaam Bukhaaree etc.  This the path followed by the Salaf; and why is that the case? That is because Allaah commanded us to accept the narration of the trustworthy narrators.  Allaah (The Most High) said:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ

”O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it.” [49:6]

Clarification and verification is to be sought when a rebellious evil person narrates; the narration of a rebellious evil person is not declared a lie straight away because it may be correct; but it is not accepted until it is verified.

As for the narration of a trustworthy person–as long as he is trustworthy and precise in what he narrates from the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam), then it is obligatory to accept his narration.  The Books of the Sunnah are filled with the narrations of those truthful narrators—a truthful person reports from another truthful person with a chain of transmission going back to the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam). However, these people who are seeking to attack the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel with their false principles want to abolish the sound principles upon which our Religion is established.

Many of the Ahaadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam), the transmissions from the companions (radiyallaahu-anhum) and the transmissions from the Imaams of the Sunnah were transmitted from one trustworthy person to another trustworthy person… and it obligatory to accept them, due to the saying of Allaah (The Most High): [وَأَشۡہِدُواْ ذَوَىۡ عَدۡلٍ۬ مِّنكُمۡ ]—”And take for witness two just persons from among you (Muslims).”

And with regards to transmission of information, then the information transmitted by one person is sufficient; because the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) used to send one person to Chosroes (i.e. the Emperor of Persia) to call him to Islaam and establish the proofs against him.

And he (sallal-laahu-alayhi-sallam) sent one person to Caesar, King of Rome to call him to Islaam and establish the proofs against him.  The people used to enter Islaam through the message of this one trustworthy-truthful person sent by the Prophet (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).  And if they rejected Islaam and refused to follow the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) based on the information transmitted by this one trustworthy-truthful person, he (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) prepared an army against them. The Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) prepared an army for the battle of Tabuk against the Romans based on the fact that they rejected the call to Islaam which was communicated to them by one person.

He (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) sent individuals to Bahrain, Oman and Yemen and their narrations were accepted; so how about in this present time of ours when there are ten or fifty Salafi (scholars) who are in agreement regarding a particular affair; however their narrations are rejected; and those who reject them, say: ‘’There has to be a consensus of all the scholars.’’  And from the false principles of these people is that they say: ‘’we neither accept criticism against a person nor a praise for him even if many of the contemporary scholars say that such a person is an innovator.’’ 

Therefore be warned against these people, because they make a claim to Salafiyyah, whilst seeking to destroy the Salafi Methodology—its principles and foundations.  How many false precepts do they have, such as their saying: ‘’I am not obliged to (take/accept) the speech of such and such a Shaikh?!’’  You find a scholar quoting and refuting the affairs of misguidance found in the Book of such and such a person, in such and such page; yet you find these people saying: ‘’I am not obliged to (take/accept) the speech of such and such a Shaikh?!’’

This statement of theirs is a principle by way of which they seek to shun and reject truth.  It is a false principle by way of which they seek to reject the sound principles of Jarh Wat-Tadeel.  Therefore, learn the sound principles of Jarh Wat-Tadeel and look to the methodology of the Salaf; and leave alone those who misguide. They bring turmoil upon the true religion of Allaah and upon the Methodology of the Salaf and its followers. [2]

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[1] See page 26 in the Pdf on this link:  http://www.sahab.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=127155

[2] Source: Slightly Paraphrased from a lecture of the Shaikh delivered on Yawm Al-Khaamis 28 Shawaal 1431

محاضرة مشتركة بين الشيخ ربيع والشيخ علي بن ناصر الفقيهي حفظهما الله تعالى يوم الخميس 28 شوال 1431 هـ

http://www.sahab.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=120593

Four Mashaayikh Unveil The Reality of Abdul-Maalik Ar-Ramadaani-[an ally of Brixton, Luton, and the Murji Mubtadi Ali-Halabi]]

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Deviated Callers & Individuals, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Scholars of Islam, Tamyee'.

Shaikh Ubaid and Shaikh Rabee (may Allaah preserve them)

Link: http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/22/1-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani/

Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Haadi (may Allaah preserve him)

Link:  http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/23/4-the-haal-of-abdul-maalik-ar-ramadaani-shaikh-muhammad-bin-haadi-clarifies-one-of-abdul-maaliks-falsehoods/

  Shaikh Abdullaah Al-Bukhaari (may Allaah preserve him)

Link:  http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/23/3-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani-shaikh-abdullaah-al-bukhaari-clarifies/

 Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani declares his support for a Murji Mubtadi

Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani testifies against him, saying: ‘’I am from those influenced by Al-Halabi

Link:  http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/22/2-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani/

Another act of Dishonesty and Deviation of Brixton’s Mubtadi Mentor [Ali Al-Halabi Al-Murji Al-Mubtadi]

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Ali Hassan Al Halabi, Brotherhood, Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Innovations In Islam (Bidah), Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Seeking Knowledge, Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Betower of Mercy

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The Dishonesty of Brixton’s Mubtadi Mentor

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi said, “Ali Hasan came to my house and I quoted to him the full story from as-Sunnah of al-Khallal so he knew of the boycott of Imam Ahmed regarding ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih so why is he misquoting when I already advised him regarding this before he printed this book.”

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Ustaadh Abdul Ilaah Lahmami (may Allaah preserve him) wrote in 2002:

Refuting the false principle of ‘Ali Hasan regarding getting closer to the innovators due to a benefit

Sheikh Rabee’ ibn Haadi al-Madkhali advised to translate refutations against some of these incorrect principles that ‘Ali Hasan has been calling to so that the Muslims do not fall into them due to the doubts been mentioned.

Sheikh Rabee’ stressed that these doubts are dangerous in that they attack the methodology of the pious predecessors in how they used to not mix with the innovators and refute them.

Sheikh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree, Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi and Sheikh Abdullah al-Bukhaari also showed the seriousness of these latest mistakes of ‘Ali Hasan.

Sheikh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree advised also to translate what is sufficient for the people to be aware of these errors so that they do not fall into them.

Doubt number 1

‘Ali Hasan al-Halabi said in his book “Menhaj as-Salafus Saalih fi Tarjeeh al-Masaalih” p.16 regarding the fundamentals of refuting:

“What will these individuals reply, may Allaah guide them regarding the situation of visiting (innovators), to what was reported by Khateeb (Baghdaadi) in his (Tareekh 10/262) and it seems this is the reason for their fitnah.

On the authority of Ya’qoob ibn Yusuf al-Mutdawi’ who said “‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih al-Azdi who was a Raafidi and he used to visit Imam Ahmed, and he (Imam Ahmed) would bring him closer to himself so it was said,  “O Aba ‘Abdillah, ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih al-Azdi is a Raafidi?!  So Imam Ahmed said, “subhanallaah, he is a man who loved the family of the Prophet, shall we say to him don’t love him! He is thiqa (trustworthy in narrating).”

‘Ali Hasan said commenting on this in the footnotes, “even though it was known that Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal rahmahullaah refused Dawood adh-Dhaahiree to enter upon him (due to his position with regards the Qur’an being created).” Tareekh Baghdad (8/373) in a report that many quote without a good understanding but times have changed and one must look at the benefits and harms and they are two important principles which many are unaware of who are energetic upon futile matters.”

The actual complete story between Imam Ahmed and ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih al-Azdi, the Raafidi is narrated fully in as-Sunnah of al-Khallal vol.1 p.501 and it is not as ‘Ali Hasan portrayed:  Abu Bakr al-Marwazi said that I heard Aba ‘Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed), there are a people who write these lowly ahadeeth concerning the companions of the Messenger of Allaah, and it is reported that you do not reject that the one who reports these narrations to be from the people of hadeeth. So he became angry and refuted this strongly and said “this is futile! We seek refuge in Allaah, I don’t refute this! Even if this was regarding the lowliest of people then I would have refuted it so how is it then if it was concerning the companions of the Messenger sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam! Then he said “I don’t write these ahadeeth.” I said, “O Aba ‘Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed), if you come to know of one who writes these lowly ahadeeth should he be boycotted?” He said “Yes, the one who narrates these lowly ahadeeth deserves to be stoned.”

Abu ‘Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed) said “‘Abdulrahman came to me and I asked him: do you narrate these ahadeeth?” ‘Abdulrahman said “so and so narrated it and so and so narrated it.” So I tried to have gentleness with him(to advise him such that he leaves his misguidance) but he continued using as proof that so and so narrated these so when I saw him afterwards I turned away from him and did not speak to him.”

Sheikh Muhammad ibn  Haadi said that Imam Ahmed initially didn’t know that Abdulrahman ibn Saalih was a Raafidi (since he spoke about ‘Uthman and Mu’awiyyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with them)) because he showed his love for the Prophet’s family initially and spoke well of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them). However, when it became known to Imam Ahmed that he was spreading these narrations against the companions, Imam Ahmed turned away from him and didn’t speak to him.

Sheikh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree said that Imam Ahmed’s position towards ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih is his same position towards Dawood adh-Dhaahiree so ‘Ali Hasan is mistaken in trying to separate the two incidents.Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi mentioned that ‘Ali Hasan is mistaken to use an incomplete story regarding Imam Ahmed’s position to allow one to come closer to the innovators in the name of benefit (maslaha) as this opens doors to much evil.

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi said, “Ali Hasan came to my house and I quoted to him the full story from as-Sunnah of al-Khallal so he knew of the boycott of Imam Ahmed regarding ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih so why is he misquoting when I already advised him regarding this before he printed this book.”

Sheikh Abdullah al-Bukhaari said that Ali Hasan’s book should not be called Menhaj as-Salaf but rather Menhaj al-khalaf regarding the opposition in it to the methodology of the Sallaf.

Sheikh Ubayd al-Jaabiree said that these doubts concerning the allowance of visiting and mixing with the innovators in the name of maslaha (overall benefit) will open doors to many to mix with the innovators (and sign pledges of mutual cooperation as we have seen in the name of maslaha).

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi mentioned that these errors are clearly the reason for Ali Hasan’s defence for cooperating with ‘Abdulrahman Abdulkhaaliq’s Ihyaa Turath, Abul Hasan al-Misree, Maghrawi, Adnan ‘Urur, Muhammad Hassan and others who have refuted by the scholars and until today have not retracted their errors.

May Allaah guide us all to the truth and protect us. Indeed He is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful
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