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The Principles of Debate – By Ustaadh Abu Hakeem

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

 

All praise is due to Allaah. The Salafiyyoon are serious people and they do not entertain the foolishness of any caller to deviation. Some misguided young fools have adopted a methodology for themselves related to debate – arguing, speculating, jesting and causing confusion- yet they seek to attribute this foolishness of theirs to knowledge and the way of the Salaf.

Indeed, a serious person who truly desires insight into affairs of knowledge should neither enter into what he is not worthy of nor should he approach any affair of the religion based on ignorance. Therefore, we remind ourselves and our younger brothers and sisters that time is precious and short, so let us spend it in what will increase us in sound understanding and righteous deeds.

As this subject matter regarding debate is one that some have entered into due to ignorance and short-sightedness, we remind ourselves and our younger brothers and sisters that we educate ourselves on this subject matter if possible – not for the purpose of debating, rather we learn based on proof and insight in order to safeguard ourselves from the methodology of those foolish ones.

Here are a series of lectures by Ustaadh Abu Hakeem (may Allaah preserve him) regarding the principles of debate. So exercise patience upon seeking after a sound understanding –InShaaAllaah- based on these tremendous series of lectures if you have extra time besides the regular lessons attended in the Salafi Masaajid and Centres. We ask Allaah for beneficial knowledge and righteous actions. Aameen

https://m.soundcloud.com/masjidassunnahaston/sets/principles-of-debates

 

[1] Husbands & Wives: Is It Permissible for Them to Look at One Another’s Private Parts?

Narrated Aa’isha (radiyallaahu-anhaa): The Prophet (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) and I used to take a bath from a single pot of water and our hands used to go in the pot after each other in turn. [Bukhari Number 261]

Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr (rahimahullaah) said:

Ad-daawoodiy (used this) as evidence regarding the permissibility for a man to look at the private parts of his wife and vice versa. This is supported by what Ibn Hibbaan narrated from Sulaymaan Ibn Moosaa that indeed he was asked regarding a man who looks at the private parts of his wife, so he (Sulaymaan) said: I asked Ataa, who said: ‘’I asked Aa’isha, so he mentioned this hadeeth and it is a determined text in this subject matter”. [Fat-hul Baari 1/364]

[Part 5] Series of Responses to Abu Usaamah’s Habitual Deceitfulness

Deceitfully Refraining from Explaining and Stating the Scholarly Restrictions Regarding the Principle: “Whoever does not make Tabdee of Mubtadi is a Mubtadi”

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

In his deceptive reply to the Friday incident at Al-Markazus Salafi, the man of bidah mentioned a principle by way of which he sought to establish yet again a trick utilised by ahlul bidah- narrating only what benefits him -(and this time he referred to a principle and refrained from explaining it, whilst passing a verdict against us); whereas the Salafiyyoon narrate what is for them and against. Indeed, it is well known that Abu Usaamah and his allies amongst the Mu’mayyi’ah are famous for utilising general statements, especially regarding some affairs that have been detailed, explained and clarified by the scholars in order to show the falsehood of the Haddaadiyyah and Mu’mayyi’ah, and the sound stance of Ahlus Sunnah.

Abu Usaama stated that we declared him a Mubtadi simply because he does not declare Al-Maribi a Mubtadi, and this, according to Abu Usaamah, is a bidah we are upon – because we declared him a Mubtadi solely due to the fact that he does not declare al-Maribi a Mubtadi.

Firstly: We do not know a single Salafi who preceded any Salafi scholar in declaring Abu Usaama a man of bidah; rather his affair was made known to Shaikh Ahmad An-Najmi (rahimahullaah).

Secondly: Once again, as it is well known of him, he deliberately sought to conceal the knowledge base clarification regarding this affair in order to deceitfully slander Salafiyyoon, just as he attempted to conceal, lie and distort whilst seeking to slander Shaikh Rabee and Ustaadh Abu Khadeejah in the past.

Thirdly: Indeed, what Abu Usaama sought to conceal from his unsuspecting followers will be revealed as follows In-Shaa-Allaah. Shaikh Rabee Bin Haadi (may Allaah preserve him) was asked:

Question: The principle: ‘whoever does not declare an innovator as an innovation, he (himself) is an innovator; some people say that this principle is strange; (or alien to Salafiyyah);

Shaikh Rabee [may Allaah preserve him] stated:

It is not correct to apply this principle unrestrictedly because it maybe that he is unaware of the Bidah committed by that person, therefore he refrains from declaring him an innovator due to Wara [apprehensive fear]. [1] Why should you declare him an innovator? [i.e. why should you declare him an innovator when it is the case that he is unaware of the bidah of that Mubtadi or refrains from making Tabdee out of apprehensive fear].

But if he knows the innovator, [i.e. knows that such a person is upon bidah due to which the evidence was established against him], loves him and allies with him, then he is a Mubtadi.  This is the distinction in this affair – he knows that that person is a Mubtadi but he aids him and wages war against Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa’ah, then he is a mubtadi without a doubt. As for a person who does not know that such and such person is a Mubtadi, he is not to be declared an innovator.

[As for] you  [i.e. the scholar or student of knowledge who is qualified to make Tabdee] – the one who studied the affair of [that person] and you know that he allies with a Mubtadi, puts him in a favourable position, wages war against Ahlus Sunnah for the sake of that Mubtadi and for the sake of this falsehood, this person is a Mubtadi; misguided.

As for the person who does not know that indeed such and such person is a mubtadi, then advise him and clarify for him [i.e. with clear unambiguous proofs until he understands] that such person is a mubtadi. So unless he ceases [i.e. refrains from defending this mubtadi after understanding the evidences], then put him with his companion – the mubtadi. [Source: Awnul Baari 2/891..slightly paraphrased & abridged]

The Shaikh answered: Finally: This is what Abu Usama sought to conceal in order to deceive his listeners that he was declared a man of Bidah merely based on the fact that he refuses to make Tabdee of Al-Maribi. So his unsuspecting listeners should be made aware of the fact that he deliberately refrained from explaining this principle as well as the fact that we did not precede Shaikh Ahmad (rahimahullaah), nor do we intend to precede the scholars (In-Shaa-Allaah) in declaring him or anyone else a man of bidah and misguidance. However, manipulation, concealment, lies and deception became Abu Usaama’s second skin since when he started defending Mubtadi’ah and cannot argue with the Salafiyyoon based on any evidence; rather deception is what appeals to him but not the truth.

We ask Allaah for Ikhlaas, Thabaat and Husnul Khaatimah. Aameen

To be continued…In-Shaa-Allaah


(1) Wara (apprehensive fear). The translation of this term was taken from one of Ustaadh Amjad Rafiq’s (may Allaah preserve him)  translations.

 

[Part One- Unveiling The Deceit of The Hizbiyyoon of Luton (Sponsees of the deviants of Ihyaa Turaath) Against The Correct Stances Regarding Ihyaa Turaath and Their Utilising Scholars Without Proofs In order To Hide Their Misguidance

http://salaficentre.com/2014/12/shaikh-muhammad-bin-haadi-conferences-organized-by-hizbiyyoon-and-attended-by-those-mashaayikh-considered-to-be-upon-the-sunnah/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/1-unveiling-the-deceit-of-the-hizbiyyoon-luton-and-other-sponsees-of-ihyaa-turaath-through-some-very-beneficial-and-precise-principles-concerning-the-differing-of-the-scholars-on-jarh-wat-tadeel-t/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/2-unveiling-the-deceit-of-the-hizbiyyoon-luton-and-other-sponsees-of-ihyaa-turaath-through-some-very-beneficial-and-precise-principles-concerning-the-differing-of-the-scholars-on-jarh-wat-tadeel-t/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/3-unveiling-the-deceit-of-the-hizbiyyoon-luton-and-other-sponsees-of-ihyaa-turaath-through-some-very-beneficial-and-precise-principles-concerning-the-differing-of-the-scholars-on-jarh-wat-tadeel-t/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/4-unveiling-the-deceit-of-the-hizbiyyoon-luton-and-other-sponsees-of-ihyaa-turaath-through-some-very-beneficial-and-precise-principles-concerning-the-differing-of-the-scholars-on-jarh-wat-tadeel-t/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/5-after-acquainting-oneself-with-the-principles-mentioned-by-shaikh-ubaid-posts-1-4-now-let-us-see-whether-we-can-blindly-follow-anyone-who-has-a-good-opinion-of-ihyaa-turaath/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/6-after-acquainting-oneself-with-the-principles-mentioned-by-shaikh-ubaid-posts-1-4-now-let-us-see-whether-we-can-blindly-follow-anyone-who-has-a-good-opinion-of-ihyaa-turaath-based-on-what-he-kn/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/7-after-acquainting-oneself-with-the-principles-mentioned-by-shaikh-ubaid-posts-1-4-let-us-listen-to-the-muhaddith-of-yemen-muqbil-bin-haadi-rahimahullaah/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/8-after-acquainting-oneself-with-the-principles-mentioned-by-shaikh-ubaid-posts-1-4-let-us-listen-to-shaikh-ubaid/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/9-after-acquainting-oneself-with-the-principles-mentioned-by-shaikh-ubaid-posts-1-4-let-us-listen-to-shaikh-muhammad-baazmools-reply-regarding-the-false-accusation-that-shaikh-rabee-comp/

http://salaficentre.com/2016/01/10-after-acquainting-oneself-with-the-principles-mentioned-by-shaikh-ubaid-posts-1-4-let-us-listen-to-shaikh-rabees-speech-regarding-those-who-turn-away-from-the-clear-proofs-and-utilise/

In-Shaa-Allaah Part 2 of this series will be based on acquainting ourselves with deviant individuals of Ihyaa Turaath and their statements of misguidance in affairs of Manhaj and Aqeedah, so that it may become very clear that Shaikh Abdur Razzaaq Al-Badr’s unawareness of the true reality of Ihya Turaath cannot be taken into consideration as an excuse to promote Ihya Turaath or to turn a blind eye to the reality, rather a seeker of truth seeks after the clear proofs, as Shaikh Ubaid stated: The one who knows of a mistake and it is clear to him, then it is not permissible for him to blindly follow a scholar to whom an affair is hidden. And indeed you already heard yesterday that the scholars are not infallible in their Ijtihaadaat. Therefore, it is not permissible to adopt them (i.e. the mistakes of the scholars) as a methodology (to follow).

http://salaficentre.com/2015/05/a-misunderstanding-regarding-the-statement-laa-inkaar-fee-masaail-al-khilaaf-there-should-be-no-repudiation-in-the-affairs-of-khilaaf-i-e-differing/

 

 

A Trait of Ahlul Bidah- They Pass Judgements in the Deen without Knowledge

Shaikhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah ( rahimahullah ) said:

When it is the case that the (true) followers of the Prophets are people of knowledge and justice, then the speech of the people of Islaam and the Sunnah about the disbelievers and people of bidah is (carried out) with knowledge and justice and not with conjecture and the soul’s desire. And due to this, the Prophet (sallal-laahu-alayhi wasallam) said: Judges are of three types, one of whom will go to Paradise and two to Hell. A man who knows the truth and judges with it will enter paradise; a man who knows the truth but judges with the opposite of it will enter the fire, and a man who judges for the people based on ignorance will enter the fire.’’ [Reported by Imaam Abu Dawud and others]

And when it is the case that the one who judges between the people in (affairs) of wealth, blood (i.e. murder cases, injury etc.) and honour will enter the hell fire if he is not a just scholar, then what about the one who passes judgements without knowledge-such being the case with ahlul bidah-on religions, the Usool of Imaan, affairs of knowledge related to Allaah, His Names, Attributes and Actions, and the lofty affairs of knowledge.’’

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[Al-Jawaabus Saheeh 1/107-108]

Asking About Conferences Organized by Hizbiyyoon? (Staunch UK followers of Al-Maribi etc )

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadi (may Allaah preserve him) warns against the likes of these conferences, saying that these organizations seek to promote and establish their goals through some of the Mashaa-yikh, so one should not go to them. Some of the Mashaayikh are unaware of the pursuits of these organizations through them, so one should not go to them. http://www.sahab.net/forums/?showtopic=130647

So be attentive O Salafi! Those staunch followers of Al-Maribi and Al-Halabi say to the common people- by way of deceit and concealment- ‘’We have a Shaikh or Mashaayikh!” Yet at the same time they defend the contemporary Senior Mubtadi’ah such as Ali Al-Halabi and Al-Maribi.

Likewise, Masjid Al-Furqan (Rusholme) follows the same deceitful methodology and have already been refuted as a result of that, for they seek to invite some of those Mashaayikh considered to be upon the Sunnah, yet on other days they invite ahlul bidah, such Abu Usama or speakers from deviant organizations, such as Al-Maghrib Institute.

Likewise, Shaikh Rabee (May Allaah preserve him) was asked about the Luton conference-followers of the innovators (Al-Maribi and Al-Halabi), so the Shaikh (may Allaah preserve him) stated that one should not attend. See link: https://twitter.com/salafipubs/status/548038503083556865

Therefore O sensible one! The verdicts above are based on reality, so do not aid those who utilize some Mashaayikh, but at the same time are aiders of Senior Contemporary Mubtadi’ah or allies of ahlul bidah.

Shaykh Rabee’ bin Haadee al-Madkhalee on the Defenders of Abul-Hasan al-Misree (Al-Maribi) in Luton, England

http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=NDV18&articleID=NDV180014&articlePages=1

 

Few Excerpts From Shaikh Rabee for the Sensible Person to Contemplate Upon Regarding Celebrating Milaadun Nabiy

The Shaikh (may Allaah preserve him) stated:

*If you do (or revive) a deed (i.e. a deed that is established in the Islamic legislation by way of proof) which was forgotten (or abandoned) by the people, then indeed you have started (or restarted) a good Sunnah for them.

*As for innovating something (i.e. religious beliefs and practices) in the religion which are not to be found in it, then this is bidah about which the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) said: ‘’Whoever innovates in this affair of ours that which is not from it will have it rejected.’’

Allaah (The Most High) said:

[أَمْ لَهُمْ شُرَكَاء شَرَعُوا لَهُم مِّنَ الدِّينِ مَا لَمْ يَأْذَن بِهِ اللَّهُ -Or have they partners with Allah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allah has not allowed] [42:21]

*If this (Mawlid) was something good, the Messenger of Allaah (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) and the Sahaabah would have preceeded us to it.

Indeed, the companions knew the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) and they loved him more than us, but many of us (i.e. those who celebrate Mawlid) unfortunately do not know him (i.e. his authentic Sunnah and his ways) except by way of this (Mawlid). As for the Sahaabah, they (radiyallaahu-anhum) knew his every moment; they spent their wealth to aid Allaah’s (The Mighty and Majestic) religion and to raise Allaah’s Word (i.e. Laa ilaaha ilal-laah). They demonstrated their love for the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) through their belief in him, followed him, sacrificed their lives and their wealth to aid his religion.

*As for these ones (i.e. those heads of misguidance who call the people to celebrate the Mawlid), they say that they love the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) and they initiate these Mawlids because it includes devouring the wealth of the people by way of falsehood, and they commit shirk, fictitious deeds and misguidance in these Mawlids (i.e. the practices of the extreme soofiyyah). Is this the religion of Allaah? Is the one who initiated this to be praised?

*Those who first initiated this Mawlid were the Baatiniyyoon-the enemies of Allaah and His Messenger, and enemies of the religion of Islaam. They brought this filthy innovation, which is now defended by a people who claim that they are from Ahlus Sunnah, whilst unfortunately they are from the people of misguidance.  [Abridged and slightly paraphrased…see

http://www.sahab.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=156134]

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May Allaah guide these people Aameen