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[1] Shaikh Ubaid Unveiled the Falsehood of The Fraudulent Claimants to Salafiyyah and Proponents of Tamyee- Those attempting (once again) to Utilise ‘Rifqan Ahlus Sunnah Bi-Ahlis Sunnah’ to defend Mubtadia

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Ali Hassan Al Halabi, Brotherhood, Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Groups, Sects and Parties, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Scholars of Islam, Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

This was a clarification by Shaykh Ubayd (may Allaah preserve him), which was a quick translation by the elder brothers and students at Salafipublications (may Allaah preserve them). You can access the audio directly from this link:

http://safeshare.tv/w/cOLObITEbR

 

Shaikh Ubaid stated:

I have not read the book of Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin.

I know from experience that Ahl ul-Ahwaa take whatever chance they can from some of the affairs that arise from some of Ahl us-Sunnah, then they twist it for their own benefits whereas it is not really of benefit to them.

Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin, according to the title that I have come to know, is actually advising Ahl us-Sunnah in relation to Ahl us-Sunnah. And this is a matter that is agreed upon by all of the Shaykhs that we have known, and we are upon this as well.

However we need to know who are Ahl us-Sunnah, not everyone who claims the Sunnah is actually from it.[note: such as the hizbees who are now using this book for their own agendas!]

Secondly, Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin and others, when he comes to know of a person of innovation he will show rejection upon him and his innovation [note: like he did with Safar and Salman, Ar’oor, Hasan Maalikee etc!]

Thirdly, this is a rule, the one who knows is a proof against the one who does not know, so those who spoke of Abul-Hasan spoke with evidences, proofs so clear, like the apparentness of the sun in the daytime, and they criticised his speech and actions, so those who made jarh upon him and established the evidences against him, then we have to take this from them otherwise we are people of desires. And that Scholar who has not seen what the others have seen, then we do not follow that Scholar who was ignorant of the condition of of the one who was disparaged.

Then the Shaykh gives some examples:

1. Example of Shaafi’ee’s ta’deel for Ibraaheem ibn Muhammad ibn Abee Yahyaa, but scholars made Jarh upon him and said he is not thiqah. So the tawtheeq of Shaafi’ee was not accepted and nor did this tawtheeq help the one who was declared thiqah by him [note: just like Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin’s speech for Abul-Hasan does not benefit him in anyway, for he remains a straying deceiving lying Ikhwaanee Innovator!].

  1. Example of Safar and Salman, when we (i.e. the Shaykhs of Madinah) would criticise them with proof, but Shaykh Ibn Baz and Shaykh Ibn uthaymeen and others from the Major Scholars did not say anything about them. But after 4 years, the declaration came from the Hay’ah convicting them (of errors) and advising that they be restrained.
    3. Example of Shaykh al-Albaanee used to praise Safar and Salman, give them tazkiyah and so on, but after 6 or 7 years, he spoke against them, and he admitted that “we had been hasty and the people of Madinah were more knowledgeable of the people”.

    Then the Shaykh said, “distribute this discussion”.

    Then after being asked about those who spread this book the Shaykh said, “This person is a person of fitnah, either a person of fitnah or one who does not know (the situation)…” Then the Shaykh added to this, “…especially when such a person spreads it amongst the general people (at large), the likes of me (i.e. the Shaykh) and you (i.e. students of knowledge), from those people who understand could read the book, but as for one who spreads it by the hundreds, to the general and specific people, in accordance with what I have said, then this is either one who is heedless (does not know) or is a person of fitnah (saahibu fitnah).”

[End of quote]

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To be continued In-Shaa-Allaah

 

[2] Fit’nah: Put to trial due to their own evil deeds!

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Groups, Sects and Parties, Morals and Manners - 'Akhlaaq', Purification of The Soul.

Allaah (The Most High) said:

يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ لَا يَحْزُنكَ الَّذِينَ يُسَارِعُونَ فِي الْكُفْرِ مِنَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَلَمْ تُؤْمِن قُلُوبُهُمْ ۛ وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُوا ۛ سَمَّاعُونَ لِلْكَذِبِ سَمَّاعُونَ لِقَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ لَمْ يَأْتُوكَ ۖ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ مِن بَعْدِ مَوَاضِعِهِ ۖ يَقُولُونَ إِنْ أُوتِيتُمْ هَٰذَا فَخُذُوهُ وَإِن لَّمْ تُؤْتَوْهُ فَاحْذَرُوا ۚ وَمَن يُرِدِ اللَّهُ فِتْنَتَهُ فَلَن تَمْلِكَ لَهُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُرِدِ اللَّهُ أَن يُطَهِّرَ قُلُوبَهُمْ ۚ لَهُمْ فِي الدُّنْيَا خِزْيٌ ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

O Messenger (Muhammad)! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: “We believe” with their mouths but their hearts have no faith.

And of the Yahood are men who listen much and eagerly to lies – listen to others who have not come to you [those of their leaders who substitute the Torah (1)]

They change the words from their places- [declaring the halaal to be haraam and the haraam to be halaal (2)]; they say, “If you are given this (ruling), take it; but if you are not given this, then beware!”

And whomsoever Allah wants to put in Al-Fitnah- [misguidance or punishment, or exposed; (3) because of his rejecting the Faith (4)] you can do nothing for him against Allah- [you cannot save him (5)]

Those are the ones [Yahood and Munaafiqoon (6)] whose hearts Allaah does not want to purify (from disbelief and hypocrisy); for them there is a disgrace in this world- [Allaah informed the Prophet of what was hidden in the hearts of the Munaafiqoon as well as the lies of the Yahood in this worldly life (6)], and for them is a great torment in the Hereafter. [5:41]

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Refs 1, 2 3, 5 & 6 Abridged and slightly paraphrased. See Zaadul Maseer of Imaam Ibnul Jawzi

Ref 4: See Noble Qur’aan [Englsih Translation by Shaikh Taqiyudeen and Dr Muhsin Khan]

 

Greenlane’s Admin: Shaikh Uthaymeen and six other scholars unveil the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor; why do you hide truth & aggrandize status of those who defend him?!

Written by Abdullah Jallow on . Posted in Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Innovations In Islam (Bidah), Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Scholars of Islam, Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

Shaikh Uthaymeen refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 http://ia600507.us.archive.org/12/items/qawidadnanaroor/01-Uthaymeen.mp3

 

 

 

Shaikh Ahmad An-Najmi refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) unveils the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Gudiyaan (rahimahullaah) refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Zayd Bin Haadi (rahimahullaah) refutes the deviations of Adnaan Ar’oor Al-Mubtadi

 

 

 

 

 

Shaikh Ubayd Al-Jaabiri (may Allaah preserve him)

Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadi (may Allaah preserve him)

Greenlane’s Admin –This affair is a differing in Manhaj and not Fiqh; Unity can only be based on sound creed and the one who knows is a proof against the one who does not know!

Written by abuaisha on . Posted in Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy

Al-Allaamah Muqbil Bin Haadee (rahimahullaah) said:

Al-Khilaaf Fiqhiy: It is when the evidence can carry this (meaning) or that (meaning), such as the Hadeeth:”When one of you wakes up from his sleep, he must not put his hand in a utensil till he has washed it three times, for he does not know where his hand was.” The scholars have differed in this (affair); amongst them are those who say that the water becomes impure and amongst them are those who say that it is forbidden (to put one’s hand in the water) but (the water) does not become impure and this affair is a legislated act of worship; and amongst them are those who say that it is Makrooh (disliked to put the one’s hand in the water  but not forbidden), because he (i.e. the person) is upon certainty that his hand is in a state of purity.  So the likes of this (affair) is Ikhtilaaf fiqhiy and similar to it (also is whether) the Basmallaah is to be uttered loudly (during the prayer).

Al-Khilaaf Manhajiy:  As for Al-khilaaf Manhajiy, it is a problematic disease such as the methodology of Ikhwaan Al-Mufliseen; for their Manhaj is entry into elections, houses of parliaments and party Multiplicity.  This is considered to be Ikhtilaaf Manhajiy because it is in opposition to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wa-alaa-aalihi-wasallam)…… [End of quote…See: Ghaaratul Ash-ritah: page: 40-41: Vol 1]

Pay close attention to this affair so that you are not deceived- in your religious affairs- by the deceitful false claimants to Salafiyyah. The Maraakiz of Salafiyyah do not have a working relationship with any organization or group that mixes Sunnah and bidah. However, Greenlane’s Admin co-operates with organizations and groups that mix Sunnah and Bidah, such as Ihyaa Turaath, Al-Maghrib Institute. Greenlane’s Admin seeks to hide its reality from some of those unsuspecting Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah-and only Allaah knows our real state of affairs- whilst maintaining their ties with some of the obstinate people of bidah. This is a Manhaj shared between Ihyaa Turaath and Greenlane’s Admin.

Shaikh Ubaid (may Allaah preserve him) said: Ihyaa Turaath mixes the religion with politics or bidah with Sunnah. The Shaikh also says: Their call is a mixture. They call to those who are considered to be from ahlul bidah. http://www.sahab.net/forums/?showtopic=117024

 

Ihyaa Turaath

See here: http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=5220 – all about the Aqeedah and Manhaj of Ihyaa Turaath-The associates of Greenlane’s Admin.

After acquainting yourself with Ihyaa Turaath’s deviations in Aqeedah and Manhaj (in the above link) then ask yourself the following questions:

[1] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to co-operate with Ihyaa Turaath after being well aware of their clear affairs of bidah and misguidance in Aqeedah and Manhaj?!

[2] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to keep quiet about the clear and grave deviations of Ihyaa Turaath [in Aqeedah and Manhaj] after being well aware of them?!

[3] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafi to show enmity towards those who unveil the calamities of Ihyaa Turaath?!

[4] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to deliberately ignore the deviations of Ihyaa Turaath [in Aqeedah and Manhaj] and openly declares it working relationship with them?!

[5] Is it possible for any claimant to Salafiyyah to unite with Ihyaa Turaath after being well aware of their clear deviations in Aqeedah and Manhaj?!

 

Al-Allaamah Saaleh al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) stated:

As long as the Aqeedah (creed) is shaky and blemished, the Muslims cannot be united. It is not possible to unite the one upon Bidah with the one upon the Sunnah, ABADAN.  It is not possible to unite the person of corrupt Aqeedah (creed) with a person of sound aqeedah even though they share the same name (i.e. they are both called Muslims). The Muslims have to be united upon Tawheed, upon the correct Aqeedah, upon the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad-sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam). The Muslims have to come together; they have to unite and follow that which emanates from that bond and unity, as long as this does not depart from obedience to Allaah and His Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam).  And due to that, the Messenger (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) said:  ”Allaah is pleased for you with three things: ”that you worship Him (alone) and not to associate anything with Him; and that you (all) hold unto the Rope of Allaah and not to be divided; and that you give sincere advise to the one placed in charge over your affairs (i.e. the Muslim Ruler).”

As for the one who calls to the unity of the Muslims even though they differ in their Aqeedah, indeed, this is impossible. The one who wants to unite the Muslims even though they are upon divergent beliefs, even though they are upon shaky beliefs, this is inconceivable. (It is) like the one who attempts to bring together water and fire or a beast and a fish. This can never be possible because a beast lives on land and a fish lives in the sea…

[End of quote: Source: Excerpt from a lecture delivered by Sheikh Saaleh al Fawzaan at Masjid At-Tawheed in Taa-if. Title of lecture: At Tahdeer Minal Furqati Wal Ikhtilaaf]

Therefore, do not be deceived by Greenlane’s Declaration of a conference in which there some of those Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah-and only Allaah knows our real state of affairs-; rather a sensible person should look to the reality and not merely what is apparent. Clinging to the Sunnah does not allow the Sunni to form alliances with some of those considered to be from Ahlus Sunnah-and only Allaah knows our real state of affairs- whilst maintaining ties with the obstinate deviants of Ihyaa Turaath, al-Maghrib Institute and others. This is why when Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadi (may Allaah preserve him) was asked about attendance at Islamic conferences (or gatherings) of knowledge that are under the supervision of the Jam-iyyaat (i.e. Islamic organizations of illegal partisanship) but also attended by Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah….So the Shaikh said that the brothers are aware of his speech concerning all these Jam-iyyaat. These Jam-iyyaat seek to promote and establish their goals through some of the Mashaa-yikh, so Shaikh said that he does not see that one should go to them.  Some of the Mashaayikh are unaware of the pursuit of these Jam-iyyaat through them; so one should not go to them. http://www.sahab.net/forums/?showtopic=130647

Shaikh Ubaid Al-Jaabiri (may Allaah preserve him said:”The one who knows of a mistake and it is clear to him, then it is not permissible for him to blindly follow a scholar to whom an affair is hidden. And indeed you already heard yesterday that the scholars are not infallible in their Ijtihaadaat. Therefore, it is not permissible to adopt them (i.e. the mistakes of the scholars) as a methodology (to follow).”  http://salaficentre.com/2013/08/2-an-eye-opener-for-the-seeker-of-truth-alallaamah-ubaid-bin-abdillaah-al-jaabiri-answers/

To be continued…In-Shaa-Allaah

 

 

Greenlane’s Masjid Admin Co-operates with an organization that is from the deviated sect of Ikhwaan Al-Muslimeen!

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Brotherhood, Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Groups, Sects and Parties, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Scholars of Islam, Tamyee'.

Shaikh Ubaid (may Allaah preserve him) responded to the one who considers some of those affiliated to ihyaa turaath as people of virtue, knowledge and sound religion….Listen to audio here:

 

 

Points from Shaikh Ubiad’s Response:

*The utterer of this statement is overwhelmed by the proofs…..

*This statement is one of his falsehoods…

*The principle with Ahlul Ilm (i.e. the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah) is that the one who allies with ahlul bidah- neither bringing them to account nor aiding those who confront them, then he is from them even if he-in the apparent-is one who shows righteousness and acts upon some of the sunnah. This does not free him from falling into bidah….

*We have spoken against Ihyaa Turaath in many places…..

*Ihyaa Turaath is among (or within) the Ikhwaan Al-Muslimeen sect…..

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Therefore, the Salafi is not diverted from the fact that Grenlane seeks to mix haqq with baatil by inviting those considered to be upon the Sunnah, whilst maintaining its ties with ahlul bidah. This is the manhaj of Greenlane’s Admin, whereas salafiyyah does not accommodate ahlul bidah. See articles…

The Basis of the Differing Between Greenlane’s admin and SP

http://salaficentre.com/2014/12/part-1-2-reminder-salafi-publications-and-greenlane-masjid-admin-what-is-the-basis-of-the-differing/

Conferences organized by hizbiyyoon and attended by Mashaayikh who are considered to be upon the Sunnah

http://salaficentre.com/2014/12/shaikh-muhammad-bin-haadi-conferences-organized-by-hizbiyyoon-and-attended-by-those-mashaayikh-considered-to-be-upon-the-sunnah/

 

[A] Some Destructive False Principles and Calamities of Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani-An ally of Brixton and Luton, and Al-Halabi (Al-Murji Al-Mubtadi)

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Ali Hassan Al Halabi, Brotherhood, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Scholars of Islam, Tamyee'.

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

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Shaikh Ubaid (may Allaah preserve him) said: ”Abdul Maalik has become confounded, disorderly and erratic.”

Shaikh Rabee (may Allaah preserve him) said: ”Abdul Maalik is with Al-Halabi and Al-Maribi.”[a]

Shaikh Abdullaah al-Bukhaari (may Allaah preserve him) said: ”Abdul Maalik is sick and deviated.” [b]

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False Principle Number One

Making it a condition that there has to be Ijmaa (consensus) before Tabdee is accepted

Abdul Maalik Ar-Ramadaani (may Allaah guide him) stated about the Tabdee against Eed Shareefee (may Allaah guide him): [العلماء ما أجمعوا على تبديعه حتي يقال هذا الكلام ] ”The scholars do not hold a consensus on the Tabdee against him (i.e. they do not hold a consensus that he is an innovator) in order for you to speak with this statement (i.e. saying that he is an innovator).”’ [End of quote] [1]

There is no basis for this view of Abdul Maalik. The scholars of Ahlus Sunnah have not made it a condition in the science of Jarh Wat-Tadeel that there has to be consensus before a person is declared an innovator; rather a single aalim is enough. Al-Haafidh Ibn Salaah (rahimahullaaj) said:  ”They (i.e. scholars) differed as to whether Jarh and Tadeel is affirmed by way of the statement of one person or there that has to be a second person? Amongst them are those who say: It is not established (or affirmed) except by way of two people just as (the case) in Jarh Wat-Tadeel in giving witnesses (or testimonies). And from them are those to say:- and this is the correct statement chosen by Al-Haafidh AbuBakr Al-Khateeb and other than him-It is established (or affirmed) by the statement of one person because numbers is not a condition for the acceptance of a khabar. It is not a condition for disparaging or commending its narrator as opposed to giving witness (or testimony).” End of quote [2]

So where is the so called Ijmaa claimed by Abdul Maalik (may Allaah guide him) in this affair?! Consider the statement of Shaikh Ubaid (may Allaah preserve him) when he stated: ”Abdul Maalik has become confounded, disorderly and erratic.” The Shaikh also said: ”At present he is a follower of Ali Halabi and he (i.e. Abdul Maalik) is not to be referred to.” [3] Rather Abdul Maalik (may Allaah guide him) stated: [أنا من المتأثرين بعلي حسن االحلبي ومشهور حسن آل سلمان] ”I am from those influenced by Ali Hasan Al-Halabi and Mash-hoor Hasan Aala Salmaan.” [4] He also says that he is in agreement with Ali Al-Halabi in what Al-Halabi (Al-Murji Al-Mubtadi) has written in his depraved book titled Manhajus Salafi [5]

To be continued….In-Shaa-Allaah

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References:

[a] http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/22/1-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani/

[b]http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/23/3-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani-shaikh-abdullaah-al-bukhaari-clarifies/

[1] See 9 in the Pdf on this link: http://www.sahab.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=127155

[2] Muqaddimah Ibn Salaah. Page: 98-99]

[3] http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/22/1-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani/

[4] http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/22/2-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani/

[5] http://masjidfurqan.co.uk/2014/11/23/3-the-haal-of-abdul-malik-ar-ramadaani-shaikh-abdullaah-al-bukhaari-clarifies/

See other rebuttals of this false principle propagated

by Abdul-Maalik, Al-Halabi and Al-Maribi and their obstinate followers

http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=11548

http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=7515

http://salaficentre.com/2014/11/the-correct-stance-towards-the-differing-of-the-scholars-concerning-jarh-and-tadeel-shaikh-ubaid-may-allaah-preserve-him/

http://www.abukhadeejah.com/shaikh-rabee-establishment-of-proof-in-declaring-a-person-to-be-an-innovator/

http://www.abukhadeejah.com/al-jarh-wat-tadeel-and-the-corrupt-principles-of-abu-usamah-khalifah-part-3/

http://www.abukhadeejah.com/al-jarh-wat-tadeel-and-the-corrupt-principles-of-abu-usamah-khalifah-part-2/

http://www.abukhadeejah.com/al-jarh-wat-tadeel-and-the-corrupt-principles-of-abu-usamah-khalifah-part-4/

http://www.abukhadeejah.com/al-jarh-wat-tadeel-and-the-corrupt-principles-of-abu-usamah-khalifah-part-1/

Another act of Dishonesty and Deviation of Brixton’s Mubtadi Mentor [Ali Al-Halabi Al-Murji Al-Mubtadi]

Written by Salafi Dawah Manchester on . Posted in Ali Hassan Al Halabi, Brotherhood, Da'wah - Calling To Islam, Deviated Callers & Individuals, Innovations In Islam (Bidah), Methodology - 'Manhaj', Refutations, Seeking Knowledge, Tamyee'.

In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Betower of Mercy

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The Dishonesty of Brixton’s Mubtadi Mentor

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi said, “Ali Hasan came to my house and I quoted to him the full story from as-Sunnah of al-Khallal so he knew of the boycott of Imam Ahmed regarding ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih so why is he misquoting when I already advised him regarding this before he printed this book.”

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Ustaadh Abdul Ilaah Lahmami (may Allaah preserve him) wrote in 2002:

Refuting the false principle of ‘Ali Hasan regarding getting closer to the innovators due to a benefit

Sheikh Rabee’ ibn Haadi al-Madkhali advised to translate refutations against some of these incorrect principles that ‘Ali Hasan has been calling to so that the Muslims do not fall into them due to the doubts been mentioned.

Sheikh Rabee’ stressed that these doubts are dangerous in that they attack the methodology of the pious predecessors in how they used to not mix with the innovators and refute them.

Sheikh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree, Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi and Sheikh Abdullah al-Bukhaari also showed the seriousness of these latest mistakes of ‘Ali Hasan.

Sheikh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree advised also to translate what is sufficient for the people to be aware of these errors so that they do not fall into them.

Doubt number 1

‘Ali Hasan al-Halabi said in his book “Menhaj as-Salafus Saalih fi Tarjeeh al-Masaalih” p.16 regarding the fundamentals of refuting:

“What will these individuals reply, may Allaah guide them regarding the situation of visiting (innovators), to what was reported by Khateeb (Baghdaadi) in his (Tareekh 10/262) and it seems this is the reason for their fitnah.

On the authority of Ya’qoob ibn Yusuf al-Mutdawi’ who said “‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih al-Azdi who was a Raafidi and he used to visit Imam Ahmed, and he (Imam Ahmed) would bring him closer to himself so it was said,  “O Aba ‘Abdillah, ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih al-Azdi is a Raafidi?!  So Imam Ahmed said, “subhanallaah, he is a man who loved the family of the Prophet, shall we say to him don’t love him! He is thiqa (trustworthy in narrating).”

‘Ali Hasan said commenting on this in the footnotes, “even though it was known that Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal rahmahullaah refused Dawood adh-Dhaahiree to enter upon him (due to his position with regards the Qur’an being created).” Tareekh Baghdad (8/373) in a report that many quote without a good understanding but times have changed and one must look at the benefits and harms and they are two important principles which many are unaware of who are energetic upon futile matters.”

The actual complete story between Imam Ahmed and ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih al-Azdi, the Raafidi is narrated fully in as-Sunnah of al-Khallal vol.1 p.501 and it is not as ‘Ali Hasan portrayed:  Abu Bakr al-Marwazi said that I heard Aba ‘Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed), there are a people who write these lowly ahadeeth concerning the companions of the Messenger of Allaah, and it is reported that you do not reject that the one who reports these narrations to be from the people of hadeeth. So he became angry and refuted this strongly and said “this is futile! We seek refuge in Allaah, I don’t refute this! Even if this was regarding the lowliest of people then I would have refuted it so how is it then if it was concerning the companions of the Messenger sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam! Then he said “I don’t write these ahadeeth.” I said, “O Aba ‘Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed), if you come to know of one who writes these lowly ahadeeth should he be boycotted?” He said “Yes, the one who narrates these lowly ahadeeth deserves to be stoned.”

Abu ‘Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed) said “‘Abdulrahman came to me and I asked him: do you narrate these ahadeeth?” ‘Abdulrahman said “so and so narrated it and so and so narrated it.” So I tried to have gentleness with him(to advise him such that he leaves his misguidance) but he continued using as proof that so and so narrated these so when I saw him afterwards I turned away from him and did not speak to him.”

Sheikh Muhammad ibn  Haadi said that Imam Ahmed initially didn’t know that Abdulrahman ibn Saalih was a Raafidi (since he spoke about ‘Uthman and Mu’awiyyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with them)) because he showed his love for the Prophet’s family initially and spoke well of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them). However, when it became known to Imam Ahmed that he was spreading these narrations against the companions, Imam Ahmed turned away from him and didn’t speak to him.

Sheikh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree said that Imam Ahmed’s position towards ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih is his same position towards Dawood adh-Dhaahiree so ‘Ali Hasan is mistaken in trying to separate the two incidents.Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi mentioned that ‘Ali Hasan is mistaken to use an incomplete story regarding Imam Ahmed’s position to allow one to come closer to the innovators in the name of benefit (maslaha) as this opens doors to much evil.

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi said, “Ali Hasan came to my house and I quoted to him the full story from as-Sunnah of al-Khallal so he knew of the boycott of Imam Ahmed regarding ‘Abdulrahman ibn Saalih so why is he misquoting when I already advised him regarding this before he printed this book.”

Sheikh Abdullah al-Bukhaari said that Ali Hasan’s book should not be called Menhaj as-Salaf but rather Menhaj al-khalaf regarding the opposition in it to the methodology of the Sallaf.

Sheikh Ubayd al-Jaabiree said that these doubts concerning the allowance of visiting and mixing with the innovators in the name of maslaha (overall benefit) will open doors to many to mix with the innovators (and sign pledges of mutual cooperation as we have seen in the name of maslaha).

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi mentioned that these errors are clearly the reason for Ali Hasan’s defence for cooperating with ‘Abdulrahman Abdulkhaaliq’s Ihyaa Turath, Abul Hasan al-Misree, Maghrawi, Adnan ‘Urur, Muhammad Hassan and others who have refuted by the scholars and until today have not retracted their errors.

May Allaah guide us all to the truth and protect us. Indeed He is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful
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